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She'll be back

I watched T3 yesterday, and I expected it to suck donkey dick, but it far surpassed my expectations! It definitely had it's cheesy/stupid/huh? moments, but overall it was entertaining, had some creative fights scenes and action sequences and some neat visuals/effects. I had no idea that Claire Danes was in it. It's kind of funny because she's the only "real" actor in the movie and it shows.

Alex had the best one-line summary of the movie: "I enjoyed it even after my beer buzz wore off!" Now that's an endorsement!

Surprisingly small amount of ficcage on HD. I found myself reading the Stevens/Kariya PWP smut Dizzy and finding it hot. *weeps* BTW, if any of you go read it, don't worry about Emilio Estevez. *nods sagely*

And because I love sharing trauma,
Robyn: Emilio would probably quack while he came :-(

I was wondering about the impact of your familiarity with players when reading fics about them. Sometimes it's a distraction, like this guy would never call that guy by that name, or he's not a fucking blonde! But most of the time (if the author is familiar with those players), it adds to the realism and believability of the story. You already "know" the people involved so you're somewhat invested in them.

But when I read fic about players I don't know, and the characterizations aren't very strong, I just get kind of muddled up and they all blur together and I get a bit confused about who is doing what. How did I get started on this? Oh, yes, months ago I wanted to write Thibault/Giguere but I was like, nobody knows who the hell Giguere is, but now everyone does and I feel more motivated to write it, which instinctively felt kind of shallow to me. Because why should it matter whether people know who it is or not? Characters should be written so that you can find out all you need to know from the fic, right? Well, not necessarily. I mean what I like about fan fiction is that you can "cheat" on character development a bit and jump into the story right away.

Oops, I should go to work now. Crap. Maybe I'll continue this later. :P

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I was wondering about the impact of your familiarity with players when reading fics about them. Sometimes it's a distraction, like this guy would never call that guy by that name, or he's not a fucking blonde! But most of the time (if the author is familiar with those players), it adds to the realism and believability of the story. You already "know" the people involved so you're somewhat invested in them.

I would have to agree with all of that. When it's done well, familiarity helps, when it's not it doesn't.

But when I read fic about players I don't know, and the characterizations aren't very strong, I just get kind of muddled up and they all blur together and I get a bit confused about who is doing what.

*nods* And that doesn't necessarily mean the fic is bad, because there are fics that work well without that kind of strong characterizations. Or even with background characters- they can be hard to keep straight if you don't know who the hell they are :)

Because why should it matter whether people know who it is or not?

To tell you the truth? Cuz more people read it. And it's nice when people read your fic :)

I mean what I like about fan fiction is that you can "cheat" on character development a bit and jump into the story right away.

Exactly. Or you can build your own characterization, which is fun. But it possibly leads to "so and so would never do/say that" which just gets us right where we started.

I would have to agree with all of that. When it's done well, familiarity helps, when it's not it doesn't.

I was actually thinking of you and a few other people when I mentioned the familiarity thing. Like your Stevie is so Stevie. Not that there isn't room for other kinds of Stevie (I'm kind of partial to evil!Stevie too *giggle*) but yours is just so believable. :)

*nods* And that doesn't necessarily mean the fic is bad, because there are fics that work well without that kind of strong characterizations. Or even with background characters- they can be hard to keep straight if you don't know who the hell they are :)

Maybe it's the number of people involved too, lol! But yeah for certain kinds of fic, like more philosophical stuff, there don't have to be strong characterizations. But for stuff that's more like "this is a typical day in the life of", it's important, I think. :)

To tell you the truth? Cuz more people read it. And it's nice when people read your fic :)

It is nice! Most of the fun is in the writing but yes, that's nice, too. Although I don't think people would be interested in Thibault/Giguere anyway. (Not fishing for a countering statement :P)

Exactly. Or you can build your own characterization, which is fun. But it possibly leads to "so and so would never do/say that" which just gets us right where we started.

It depends on how convincing it is. It's super cool when it's done well. :)

And then there's manufactured familiarity, when one very random characterization of a player becomes the form he takes in every fic from then on. Everyone thinks he's really like that characterization.

I've seen that happen! It's cool, but I don't like when that characterization is the only feature(?) of the fic, because it's sort of like borrowing the "work" someone else put into building up goodwill or recognition for the character.

If the person tweaks it a bit, or puts a different spin, or it isn't the emphasis of the fic, it's cool. :)

Because why should it matter whether people know who it is or not? Characters should be written so that you can find out all you need to know from the fic, right?

Only if it's done right. See God, Who Is Like for example.

*shrieks* *loves that fic so much*

I mean what I like about fan fiction is that you can "cheat" on character development a bit and jump into the story right away.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuude. That's why I write ff! It's so easy! I love not having to think about my character or set anything up. Everyone knows who I'm talking about and if I make two pretty boys kiss everyone else gets the same mental picture that I have.

*finds dizzy hot too* lol

writing fic about little known characters is kinda a double edged sword cause it gives you kind of a clean slate nd can be the one to define a character the first time but you also get the people who dont care about what the fic is about and just read about players they like skipping it.

Yes, but you like Stevens. Well, I do too, but I don't find him hot, exactly. :P

Hmm, that's true. I guess for me I just read it all (or at least skim it all) so I don't really think of people not giving something a chance at all!

Re: frala Expand

Old Habits and New Characterizations

I find myself getting all pissy when I first read a fic about a player that I know well and see them doing something that I know the real player would never do--it's like "WTF? He'd never do that!"

But when I read it again I'm generally OK with it--cos it's fiction, after all. :)

I wouldn't worry about other people's familiarity with players that you write about (if it's somebody they've never heard of), in any case--I mean, when I started writing Svobocek only 4 people on HD really knew them to any extent (aside from press coverage of the Hurricanes' run to the Finals in 2002).

Of course, they go more or less against RL-type personality-wise and the fics are blatantly unrealistic anyway (being fantasy/sci-fi)--so it's no huge deal. :)

I was wondering about the impact of your familiarity with players when reading fics about them. Sometimes it's a distraction, like this guy would never call that guy by that name, or he's not a fucking blonde! But most of the time (if the author is familiar with those players), it adds to the realism and believability of the story. You already "know" the people involved so you're somewhat invested in them.

*nods* i'd have to say i feel pretty much the same way - i love reading fics about players i like/know stuff about, and if characterisations are done well it's like the best thing ever, and i couldn't be happier. but. if it's done badly, or what i feel is wrongly, often i can't even read the fic - even more so than if it was some random player i'd never heard of, because then i wouldn't know if it was a bad characterisation.

as far as players i don't know anything about - if it's a well written story, i'll read it, generally. if id on't know the players, and it doesn't flow well/make sense to me...there's not much point, and it can be confusing, you're right.. not specific to hockey, jsut fanfiction in general - i have actually discovered some tv shows and characters from reading really good slash fic about them...but it's more a starting point, than a place to learn everything. i actually really like discovering new pairings or just new people/characters that i enjoy reading about. means there's more fic for me to read, and i'm such a junkie! :) so, if well done, obscure/unknown players/characters can be a very good hting, imo. people reading your fic is good too, tho.

and the whole "cheating" thing. yup. i'm inherently lazy, especially about writing, and that's one of things i love about ff. you get to play in someone else's world, and not worry about creating every little detail.

/rambling.

Hmm, I haven't really read that much stuff in other fandoms, just because I'm not that into non-RPS and I don't like any sports besides hockey. ;) But it is nice to read new pairings. That's how I became such a team slut. :)

*giggle* I'm lazy too. :P

i kinda got put off T3 with a trailer with the whole 'she'll be back thing'!!

My thing with hockey fic is, i love watching hockey, but apart from last year living in canada, i've lived the rest of my life in england where news on hockey players is hard to find, so if they aren't well characterised in fic, i find i just get so confused with the reading. I love all the fic on your website though, even if i don't know much about all the players, the way you write them keeps me interested throughout the entire story :)

The trailer was unbelievably heinous. We were laughing hysterically at it. There was no laughing during the movie, except where it was supposed to be funny. :P

Ooh, so you're a newish fan too? :) I do most of my "research" online or based on the one article or anecdote and looking at their little portraits.

Thanks very much! I'm really glad that you like them. :D *beams*

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